From: parinell@athena.mit.edu (James C Parinella) Subject: Re: Cuervo and Sponsorship Date: 16 Mar 1994 18:15:04 GMT I spoke at length with the Cuervo Regional Manager in charge of promotional events at the tournament in Boston in 1992, and he said that between prize money, advertising, freebies, and everything, they spent over $100 000 that year, and even that was peanuts to them. I don't know the details of their problems at later stages with volleyball players. The players didn't seem to mind Cuervo as long as they (the players) were nobodies, but as soon as they were established professionals they didn't want to be told what to do. I think that if a subset of the UPA wants to go along with sponsorship, they should be allowed to. Other sports (rugby, golf, tennis) have slightly different rules at the top level, mostly regarding referees. Is Ultimate that different? Maybe I'm overstating it, but it seems to me that many people are saying that Ultimate is fun only if SOTG is an integral part, and referees will destroy it. Didn't the game once have referees somewhere (Eric? Moons?). My perspective has changed over the years on this. When I first started playing the game and explaining it to people, I would proudly proclaim, "... AND THERE ARE NO REFEREES ON ANY LEVEL!!!" After a while and I was working in the real world, I would just state that matter of factly. Now, I feel sheepish telling people that I travel all over the country playing a game that allows players to cheat as much as they want (not as much as they can get away with). Spirit and getting along and being friendly isn't a bad thing, but there is room in this game for players who want to treat the game more "professionally". As far as Cuervo in interested only as much as it can help them sell tequila, of course they are. They're a business, and they're out to make profits. The philanthropy of most large companies is NOT based on altruism. They give or become environmentally friendly because they feel their the increased sales because of an improved public image will make up for the cost of their program. To take this one step further, each individual acts to benefit himself. If I go out of my way to push someone out of a snowdrift, I'm doing it because I get some benefit (pleasure or perhaps eternal salvation) out of it, not because of some vague concept of "helping our fellow man". I've digressed into metaphysics, but each of us is looking out for #1, Mother Theresa included. Jim Parinella "Death before disclaimer"